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We can't rely on the media to help us get to the truth and perhaps more importantly universities. It concerns me that school are also not teaching how to think but what to think. Climate change is an ideal topic where schools should be correcting poor science. The ice core temperature and carbon dioxide records going back about 450,000 years are a good example. Al Gore used them to convince people that they showed a correlation between the two and that carbon dioxide was driving the temperature changes. It is impossible to see correlation in such complex graphs. This is where school should have used this conclusion to demonstrate mathematical correlation analysis to establish the true connection between the two variables. Instead of pupils knowing the truth through maths they believe the nonsense of politicians.

Einstein discussed this in his book "The world as I see it". He said because of our expanding knowledge every scientist has a constantly narrowing sphere of knowledge, comparing the situation to the Tower of Babel. The point he was making was that it was becoming more difficult for scientists to see a bigger picture because of specialisation. But his use of the Tower of Babel seems even more relevant today because the truth has become difficult to establish.

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Hi, I got here via way of the daily sceptic.

I am afraid your conclusion here is a policy of despair. To allow that facts are hidden by the truth, such that facts cannot be a way out is to fall for “their truth”, and so you will never find a way out.

Yes you cannot un-convert someone with just facts when they were never converted by just facts in the first place. People are converted by power, emotion and facts and all three in various combination might undo or change things, but if you are not in any particular power then you are going to have to go strong on emotion and facts. The fact that wokeism is the new pan western Catholicism is proof of its power, and to them a justification for their lazy shouts of blasphemy, inquisition and cancelling. This bastion is without a doubt intimidating and to some extent formidable – but it ultimately has no foundation, and will collapse and leave its followers un-affirmed and un-satisfied. It is facts, emotion and power which will undermine it.

You seem confused about objectivity. Colour can be defined scientifically and is dependant upon both the descriptive language of math and nature's correspondence to that description. The fact that nature is perceived through a language is not any impediment when it’s a true fact that the bloody apple does in fact keep falling on your head whether you are Newton or Einstein or whether you like it or not.

Subjectivity is an objective fact, but as a result objective facts cannot be subjective.

Subjectivity can only meet and interact within the approximation of an objective common ground.

I cannot empathize at all with your feelings if the words by which you describe them are not common and so an approximation to objective. Your language translation point over the Japanese word for wet grass (blue) is like the difference between base 10 and base 2 in maths. (I also suspect you have misunderstood a nuance of the language). Pointing out how different they are, and that one cannot have the words of the other and so will require different thinking, does not alter the fact that they are both equally good as a math language. To focus on the differences as evidence of institutional subjectivity is to just look in the wrong direction, or the same direction as to where you say “truths” are used to hide facts. Math is just not an interpretive community it is a language based on the brute facts and existence of numbers, which are there whether you access them in base 10 or base 2.

The problem is we are all believers (whether you think you believe in anything or not), and all beliefs have base core facts about them, which are incontrovertibly true. All other possible truths are brought to these as a plum line and accepted or rejected accordingly. To have a firm foundation beliefs must have these core facts fully grounded otherwise we are just talking in circles and in the end there is no moral reason for or against any kind of behaviour. (infinite regression is a problem both physically and morally, and in the end is a problem to be resolved by all - but the more pressing issue is finding a common ground where it can be discussed in the first place))

Wokeism has of course only just come of age, it is political correctness gone evangelical/inquisitional, and it of cause needs it base morality by which it can judge itself righteous or not, because above all men crave affirmation in some way. Its fundamental weaknesses are both that it has no ultimate grounding, but amazingly it has also given up the common and reciprocal ground of secularism, which was carved out with blood from previous religious denominational divides. But secularism has been misunderstood by the religious and irreligious alike; secularism is not freedom from belief, but instead the common ground which gives freedom to believe. This was one key point of that tree in God’s garden. Secularism is God’s idea.

The thing about Lineker’s statement was not really what he said, although there is an argument in relation to his BBC contract. In a secular space he should be allowed/free to say these things. The problem with what he said was the ridiculous and hypocritical responses it has elicited all around, proving that both the secular free and reciprocal space is as good as lost, but also that people’s main response is emotional outrage or blasphemy. Lineker’s statement could have been dissected and pulled to pieces in such a way as to make him much more careful before opening his mouth again, without thinking things through more clearly (although he won is tax case, so maybe he did). But instead the response was he can’t say that, that’s blasphemy and then in subsequent support for him you can’t say that its blasphemy straight back to you. The fact is that to declare blasphemy is in the end always an act of violence against the other, it is in the end a denial of our common humaity by which we can express our diversity. We can only live together by allowing a common objective secular space, which enables freedom, and the new religion of Wokeism has to grow up quick and realise this as well. The way out of the hall of mirrors is to muster emotion with facts about this common space, which is also our common humanity, but fudging the idea of objective is not going to help. The fact that Wokeism is taking us back to a new dark age of blasphemies is of course depressing, we thought were living off the achievements of so many ‘modern’ ladder climbs up near the end of the board and now Wokeism has taken us down the bloody big snake. But the game is not to revel in being near the end with a wonderful view – the game is always onwards and upwards with steady patience.

Mr Dee

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