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Crows2's avatar

What a fascinating post. It made me think about how modernity has changed how we see humanities relationship with the our planet in the West. It’s all talk of ‘stewardship’ etc. In the Bible Genesis1:26 it says “And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

And yet, we know this talk of stewardship is fake, that the accumulation of wealth and resources is to be concentrated in a few hands who are ‘rewarded’ for their fake caring, with umpteen trips on private jets etc. Some of them may truly believe they deserve it or they can forgive their sins through the indulgences of buying carbon capture but I am cynical that this is the case for most.

This doesn’t mean there are not issues with products and producers and impacts on health and nature but I don’t think these are the ones screeched about on the BBC. By nature I am not a fan of waste and what could be more wasteful than flying food round the world just because we fancy asparagus in the winter? Also, moving resources round the world lessens our security. I am also not a fan of our rapid adoption of heavily manufactured food, big Pharma (who knows what all that crap does to you) or the ubiquitous use of plastic with dangers to humanity and nature. Funny how the issues are with big scale production and consumption isn’t it and, as you say, it is smaller scale production gets driven out?

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I love this topic! largely because I have no definite stance. What I find especially compelling is the question of how we are living, and how evident it is that it's all wrong-headed. So when talk of prosperity comes up, I wonder whether this ought to be considered from a merely materialist standpoint, and I don't mean this in a naive sense. I understand that a minimum material prosperity is needed for folk to get their heads above the struggle for survival. The issue to me... and let's stick with the example you provided, David... is that industrial agriculture is a total failure on every level. Industrial monocultural agriculture creates problems that require extreme solutions like pesticides and soil depletion solutions that no one wants. Central distribution centres contribute to food contaminations and recalls. It also hands over control of food to corporate interests, and thereby threatens to enslave populations. There are solutions. And as always, good solutions, healthy solutions require lifestyle changes. If, for instance, folks were to grow permaculture food forests in every home garden and on school grounds and institutional acreages instead of spraying these areas with toxins for green lawns... wouldn't most of the food issues just vanish? I mean there'd be far less need for wasteful forms of food production and distribution. And the need for toxic food and land management would likely also be done with. Of course, this isn't what's being proposed, and that leads to our hair-pulling, but nevertheless, this sort of solution is an option that might be seeded by some smart grassroots work. Would this ultimately entail less prosperity? Maybe in the back pages of the Economist where the GDP rat race is logged, but I think we'd see local and familial prosperity and happiness increase. Like I said, I'm sorta spitballing here. I've clearly thought about this a bit, but I haven't gotten into the nitty gritty. Happy to have anyone jump in...

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