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Helen's avatar

Thanks David. It was super to see and hear you in action.

I'm left with the question of whether you then see capitalism as the solution? Is there a form of compassionate capitalism out there that accepts the feedback of people suffering through exploitation in order for others to thrive and readjusts accordingly?

It's so interesting for me as someone who has never given herself a political label to find myself, since 2020, more and more seeing the healthy and unhealthy aspects of all the political -isms out there, and swinging backwards and forwards between them, not having or want ing a political home.

I'd love to hear you talking to someone who both questions social justice identitarianism and the authoritarianism of lockdowns etc, as you do, and at the same time is coming from a Marxist perspective regarding class relations.

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David McGrogan's avatar

Capitalism is not the solution because I don't think there is a 'solution' as such - a big part of the problem is the desire to impose solutions politically (or judicially). What we can do is rub along together; the greatest political achievement of all is a stable, secure, enduring arrangement that passes from one generation to another indefinitely and which creates space for people to pursue their own plans, hopes, dreams and so forth insofar as it is possible to do so. The only way to really do that is to have a small state which nonetheless does some very important things (rule of law, secure borders, etc.). This tends towards the kind of political economy which people call 'capitalist' but that's a byproduct of the type of structure I'm talking about.

I know a few such people and I may start putting up some more interviews.

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Helen's avatar

If you need some more ideas, I'd love to hear you talking to Rhyd Wildermuth (The Forests of Arduinna Substack) about this - he's a self-confessed Marxist of the kind I described. Also Brett Scott (Altered States of Monetary Consciousness), who's not Marxist but a fantastic thinker from the anthropological point of view. For me they're both really helpful in gaining clarity about various complexities of society today.

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David McGrogan's avatar

I'll investigate.

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Helen's avatar

PS Did he pronounce your name right? 🤔

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David McGrogan's avatar

No, but I forgive him. The 'o' is soft, as in oval.

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Helen's avatar

Yes, I thought so, having been a fan of Altered Images :).

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